{"id":10933,"date":"2021-12-08T01:52:27","date_gmt":"2021-12-08T01:52:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/azpregnancyhelp.com\/?p=10933"},"modified":"2022-03-11T22:04:32","modified_gmt":"2022-03-11T22:04:32","slug":"crisis-pregnancy-matters-in-adoption-episode-68-how-is-the-coronavirus-impacting-abortions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/azpregnancyhelp.com\/crisis-pregnancy-matters-in-adoption-episode-68-how-is-the-coronavirus-impacting-abortions\/","title":{"rendered":"Birth Mother Matters in Adoption Episode #68 \u2013 How is the Coronavirus Impacting Abortions"},"content":{"rendered":"
Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Welcome, and thank you for joining us on Birth Mother Matters in Adoption with Kelly Rourke-Scarry and me, Ron Reigns, where we delve into adoption issues from every angle of the adoption triad.<\/span><\/p>\n Speaker 1:<\/span><\/p>\n Do what\u2019s best for your kid and yourself because if you can\u2019t take care of yourself, you\u2019re definitely not going to be able to take care of that kid, and that\u2019s not fair.<\/span><\/p>\n Speaker 2:<\/span><\/p>\n I know that my daughter would be well taken care of with them.<\/span><\/p>\n Speaker 3:<\/span><\/p>\n Don\u2019t have an abortion; give this child a chance.<\/span><\/p>\n Speaker 4:<\/span><\/p>\n All I could think about was needing to save my son.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n My name is Kelly Rourke-Scarry. I\u2019m the executive director, president, and co-founder of Building Arizona Families adoption agency, the Donna K. Evans Foundation, and the You Before Me campaign creator. I have a bachelor\u2019s degree in family studies and human development and a master\u2019s degree in education with an emphasis on school counseling. I was adopted at three days, born to a teen birth mother, raised in a closed adoption, and reunited with my birth mother in 2007. I have worked in the adoption field for over 15 years.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n I\u2019m Ron Reigns. I\u2019ve worked in radio since 1999. I was the co-host of two successful morning shows in Prescott, Arizona. Now I work for my wife, an adoption attorney, and I\u2019m able to combine these two great passions and share them on this podcast.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n One Topic that is pretty prevalent right now in the media, in the news, talking with people, I think even around the dinner table, is how COVID-19 coronavirus impacts abortions.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It\u2019s on both sides. Everybody\u2019s using this as political football.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Correct. I wonder if this is a precursor to the upcoming election; that is, we\u2019re getting closer and closer in the middle of the virus outbreak when you\u2019re supposed to be under a state home order. Did you see it on the news? I think it was in Wisconsin or Minnesota, where there were lines for the preliminaries of people lined up to vote?<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n I didn\u2019t see it, but I did hear that people were showing up to vote and that it was kind of surprising because, you know, you\u2019re getting into a crowd all of a sudden<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Right? And some of those people weren\u2019t wearing masks. And I\u2019m thinking, I wonder in that state if there\u2019s going to be an influx of cases following. So that will be an exciting thing to see. Hopefully not, hopefully, it\u2019ll be fine.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Definitely.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n So hopefully, everybody listening is staying safe, staying home, staying healthy. Following the orders of the state you\u2019re residing in and obviously of the president. So, today I really want to discuss. I want to make this a two-part series because there\u2019s so much to delve into that I don\u2019t want to be restricted by just having to get this into one podcast. Every time Ron, you, and I speak about abortions and how they\u2019re being impacted and how the perception of this new law or an introduction of this new law is, is coming into play. I think that you and I are very, very vested in what we\u2019re talking about. And I think we\u2019re very animated and want to express our feelings so that partners can really get the perspective that we\u2019re trying to portray. And we hopefully are portraying.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n I hope so. I hope it\u2019s getting across.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n I hope so too. So some of these headlines are absolutely blowing me away.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n I mean, it\u2019s easy to tell when you read these headlines which perspective the writer is coming from.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n 100%. So the one that, we\u2019re going to go over a few, but the one that really grabbed me, and I have to say, I read it probably, no lie, 10 times. Then I grabbed a couple of my kids, and I even read it to them because I was so shell-shocked. Newsmax had a headline that states, Planned Parenthood gets aborted by COVID 19.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It\u2019s powerful. That\u2019s quite an attention-grabbing headline for sure.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n And what\u2019s so interesting to me is the factual basis behind it.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n I almost have no words. It\u2019s one of those headlines that it\u2019s enough. You don\u2019t even need to have a story.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It\u2019s like, okay, I understand precisely what the perspective and where this story is coming from, just from the headline. Certainly.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Right. And the author of this could have very well turned it into the paper and said, here you go.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Done, thanks.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Here\u2019s my article.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Here\u2019s my six-word article.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n But it\u2019s all-encompassing. So what was one that really grabbed you?<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It just fascinated me with the different perspectives. You can obviously tell what the person\u2019s heart tells them to write. For instance, the coronavirus becomes an excuse to restrict abortions from the New York Times. I think that just, again, says everything that the author of the article is trying to say, just in the headline. You don\u2019t need to go further; what\u2019s this guy\u2019s point of view? And it\u2019s kind of shocking on both sides to some degree. As I said, it\u2019s become a real political football.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n It has. And it\u2019s astounding to me that you would take two susceptible subjects and, in my opinion, both pandemics.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Absolutely.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n And you\u2019re putting them in the same category and yet using them to play off of each other. And it\u2019s so twisted in so many levels when you\u2019re trying to offset one by the other.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It makes me think of, and I don\u2019t remember who said it, it could have been Rama Manuel, but it was something along the lines of never letting a good crisis go to waste. In other words, use that to your political advantage and to get your politics past, and I find it kind of icky; that\u2019s my personal opinion. Because when I think of COVID 19 or abortion, for that matter, I think, okay, let\u2019s get this problem solved and not try and use it to get other things done, and that\u2019s what it seems to me they\u2019re doing.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n I totally agree with you. When we make one thing a personal agenda, another thing and creep in another, I absolutely agree with you. I think that in this circumstance, and we\u2019ve stated this over and over again, I\u2019m pro-life, you\u2019re pro-life.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n So we are coming at it from that stance. I think it\u2019s always fair to remind our listeners that, yes, openly, we are pro-life. So understanding that that is the perspective we are coming from. However, I think we\u2019re both able to step back and at least explore and try to understand the other side, even if we do disagree with it.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n I totally agree. I love hearing a good debate from both sides, a respectful, not just shouting match, but two people who actually are actively listening to each other and their differences.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n And they\u2019re educated in the Topic.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Life News had a headline that I think is paramount. And I think it\u2019s one that anytime a topic regarding abortion and COVID 19 are brought together should be remembered. And there\u2019s coronavirus and abortion. Both are pandemics that kill people. That is a fact.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Absolutely. I don\u2019t think there\u2019s even a question about it.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n But what you stated was true. When the Los Angeles Times stated that Republicans exploit coronavirus to restrict abortions. That\u2019s not the case at all. We\u2019re not agendizing as a Republican to exploit anything.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right. We\u2019re looking at the headlines.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Yes, yes, absolutely. I think that Forbes\u2019 statement, their headline of states using COVID 19 to ban abortion increases everybody\u2019s risks and hardships in a crisis. Although it is an attention grabber, I have to say that this is incorrect.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n It\u2019s the opposite of the actual truth.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Right.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Because abortions are hurting babies when they\u2019re being, they\u2019re killing babies when they\u2019re being performed. So [crosstalk 00:09:00] stopping that actually is saving lives.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Correct. It\u2019s doing the exact opposite. Agreed. And then, in podcast number two, we\u2019re going to talk a lot about Texas because a lot has happened in Texas. Still, The Hill had a headline that said Texas women forced to travel 20 times farther for abortion under coronavirus ban. So now we\u2019re talking about the length of travel. I guess, right now, in everybody\u2019s world across the United States, the coronavirus is impacting, affecting, killing people. It\u2019s a huge, huge change. I mean, two months ago, I would\u2019ve never in a million years believed that we would be where we are today.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n You and I respect social distancing and do this through Zoom because we are trying to practice what we preach. So, I think that we\u2019re worried about accessibility to abortions is so far down the list right now of what we as a country should be focusing on.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n The unemployment rate right now is at an all-time high. People are waiting on their stimulus checks. They\u2019re waiting on unemployment benefits. People are being impacted left and right. Again, we believe that pregnancy and the birth of a baby are blessings. And now we\u2019re reading a headline that women are forced to travel further to receive an abortion. It\u2019s just not-<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Oh, no, it\u2019s more inconvenient to go out and kill your baby.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Right. So, looking at facts, just hardcore facts. For insured coronavirus relief funds, President Trump can\u2019t go to abortions. I commend him for that.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n And this is part of the hidden law, right?<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Yes. So any healthcare funding that does not have the hide protections could potentially be used to fund abortion. President Trump ensured the coronavirus virus bill passed with high protection and tax so that money can combat the pandemic of the coronavirus and not fund abortion. We need to prioritize saving lives, not destroying them. Nearly 1 million women choose to end a pregnancy in the United States each year. And about one-quarter of American women will use abortion services by 45 years of age. We\u2019ve stated this statistic before, and it\u2019s still mind-blowing. Even though every time I see it and think about it, it really does blow my mind. It\u2019s so, I don\u2019t want to use the word ordinary, but I don\u2019t know what other word to substitute that with.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Accepted, maybe. I mean, it\u2019s just so normalized. Like it\u2019s no big deal and-<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Maybe desensitized.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Right. Yeah, there you go. Like when you go out in public, do you ever look at a group of four women and go? One of them, statistically speaking, has had an abortion.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n Because I research this now, maybe. I have four daughters, and I can\u2019t imagine.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Any one of them.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n That is happening, any of them doing that. That would be beyond devastating. And having four girls, that statistic hits me really hard because I hope and pray that never happens. Hopefully, it won\u2019t. I mean, it\u2019s something that we\u2019re very loud about in our household.<\/span><\/p>\n Ron Reigns:<\/span><\/p>\n Yeah. Very vocal.<\/span><\/p>\n Kelly Rourke-Scarry:<\/span><\/p>\n